{"id":9135,"date":"2026-03-18T19:41:02","date_gmt":"2026-03-18T19:41:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/?page_id=9135"},"modified":"2026-03-30T11:59:30","modified_gmt":"2026-03-30T11:59:30","slug":"carla-3","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/?page_id=9135","title":{"rendered":"Carla Della Beffa: An interview with Ermanno Cristini and Giancarlo Norese"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/?page_id=8878\">Theme Table of Contents<\/a><br \/>\n<a href=\"http:\/\/vjic.com\">VJIC Table of Contents<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div style=\"padding: 56.25% 0 0 0; position: relative;\"><iframe style=\"position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%;\" title=\"carla-vasa3-intro-breve\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/1174877229?badge=0&amp;autopause=0&amp;player_id=0&amp;app_id=58479\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>This chapter talks about a contemporary <em>D\u00e9jeuner sur l\u2019herbe<\/em>. A pure photobook, capable of conveying\u2014even to those who weren\u2019t there\u2014the richness of a country celebration, a Saturday among artists and friends: as if you were there. Each invited artist brought their own contribution. (Unfortunately for me, these initiatives are always in places unreachable by train, and I don\u2019t drive.) Many also contributed photographs. In the end, Ermanno Cristini\u2014who conceived the collective party\/exhibition\/performance and selected the participants\u2014and Giancarlo Norese\u2014who, in addition to being an admirable editorial designer, is a publisher, artist, painter, and sometimes teacher\u2014designed and produced the photobook (print on demand on Amazon). Thus a single day became something that remains, a memory you can leaf through.<\/p>\n<p>Inside, the subtitle reads:<br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em>a project by Ermanno Cristini in conversation with Giancarlo Norese<\/em><\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\"><em>and Susanna Baumgartner, Cesare Biratoni, Sergio Breviario, Giuseppe Buffoli, Emma Damiani, Claudia Mangone, Gloria Tamborini, Luisa Turuani<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p>But before a brief introduction by Ermanno, there are also the photographic credits (and this makes clear how collective the project is):<br \/>\n<em>Umberto Cavenago, Ermanno Cristini, Emma Damiani, Al Fadhil, Giancarlo Norese, videoforart<\/em><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_9146\" style=\"width: 220px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9146\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9146\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos1-210x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"210\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos1-210x300.jpg 210w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos1-717x1024.jpg 717w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos1-105x150.jpg 105w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos1-768x1097.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos1-1075x1536.jpg 1075w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos1-1434x2048.jpg 1434w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos1.jpg 1512w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 210px) 100vw, 210px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9146\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Ermanno Cristini<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>CDB:<\/strong> Ermanno, you often design exhibitions and magazines that you realize with others. How do you define them? Participatory? Relational? Just as often you then turn them into books, but also magazines: in my collection of artists\u2019 books you are the most present, yet I own only a tiny fraction of them. You like paper, printing, reading, yet sometimes you invite people to look, almost without words.<br \/>\nHow did you organize this <em>D\u00e9jeuner sur l\u2019herbe<\/em>? Did you already know you would make a photographic book out of it?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-9141\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int1-300x225.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"225\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int1-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int1-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int1-150x113.jpg 150w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int1-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int1-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int1.jpg 2000w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>EC<\/strong><strong>:<\/strong> This <em>D\u00e9jeuner sur l\u2019herbe<\/em> came about by chance, or through \u201chappy coincidences,\u201d as practically always happens with the things one does\u2014and also with those one doesn\u2019t do. I like to think that all my work develops through \u201cstumbles,\u201d that is, through encounters with elements that disturb the \u201cstraight path.\u201d<br \/>\nIn this case, on the property of Liliana and Lorenzo Baldi in Serralunga di Crea, <em>La 74<\/em>, Umberto Cavenago\u2019s steel alcove, was temporarily installed\u2014a mobile, inhabitable sculpture dwelling parked there while waiting\u00a0to go elsewhere. It was precisely around Cavenago\u2019s nomadic sculpture that the <em>D\u00e9jeuner sur l\u2019herbe<\/em> took shape: a tribute to art, its history, and to a convivial vocation of artistic practice.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-9138\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int2-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"480\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int2-1024x768.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int2-300x225.jpg 300w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int2-150x112.jpg 150w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int2-768x576.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int2-1536x1152.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-dejeuner-int2-2048x1536.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Convivial among artists, among artists and artworks, among artists, artworks, and the place. Among artists, artworks, the place, and the public. There is certainly a participatory, relational dimension, but perhaps art has always had a participatory dimension, even if in very different forms that appear impervious to relation. An erotic relation, as the subtitle in parentheses states. Not only in reference to Cavenago\u2019s alcove, but because the exercise of language is erotic at the moment when it traverses the unpredictable edge of its transformation.<br \/>\nAnd then\u2026 things never end where they first appear; they travel and transform. This is the meaning of the book\u2014not that of an exhibition catalogue, but of a testimony, a narrative made with another language, the language of the photobook in this case. The photographs, taken by different authors, represent a necessarily interpretive narration and therefore one endowed with a life of its own. Different eyes, intersecting gazes, drawing a multiple reading path.<br \/>\nThis implies a conception of the work grasped in its impermanence, made of continuous transformations, and a vision of authorship situated in the dialectic of an \u201cunavowable community,\u201d in the sense the term had for Maurice Blanchot.<\/p>\n<div style=\"padding: 56.25% 0 0 0; position: relative;\"><iframe style=\"position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%;\" title=\"carla-vasa3-dejeuner\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/1174877393?badge=0&amp;autopause=0&amp;player_id=0&amp;app_id=58479\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p><strong>CDB:<\/strong> Ermanno, for years you have had an exhibition space, shared with other artist-curators, yet you are able to find opportunities for one-day or one-week exhibitions in experimental galleries, abandoned but not dangerous factories, suburban courtyards, the former slaughterhouse of Milan\u2026 Not all these events have a book of their own. Do you know from the start that you will make a book, or do you decide later, as I do? And how do you realize a project, how do you make a book like <em>D\u00e9jeuner sur l\u2019herbe<\/em>? How do you organize it all? How long does it take?<\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong> Opportunities present themselves if one wants to see them. The space of the \u201cexhibition\u201d is a determining element; there is no work without the space of its exhibition\u2014indeed, the exhibition space effectively coincides with that of creation. Even when the work is born in the studio, because as soon as it goes out and travels the world it becomes another work, and<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-9144\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos-cinema-1024x709.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"473\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos-cinema-1024x709.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos-cinema-300x208.jpg 300w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos-cinema-150x104.jpg 150w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos-cinema-768x531.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-dialogos-cinema.jpg 1445w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 473px) 100vw, 473px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>It is this vertigo of transformation that interests me, and it is in this spirit that the exhibition itself\u2014whether one day or one month, the exhibition understood as the materialization of the work within a choral dimension\u2014projects itself beyond its time and space, investing other languages, for example that of photographic images gathered in a book. Time is always long, even if the exhibition lasts an instant: its gestation and its projection live in the dense, slowed time of thought, which is the antithesis of the scrolling time into which we are today pushed, more or less against our will.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_9140\" style=\"width: 502px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-9140\" class=\"wp-image-9140\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese1-1024x681.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"492\" height=\"328\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese1-1024x681.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese1-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese1-150x100.jpg 150w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese1-768x511.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese1.jpg 1252w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 492px) 100vw, 492px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-9140\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Giancarlo Norese<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong>CDB:<\/strong> Giancarlo, as you know, I am a great admirer of your website and of the winged calf for the Suzzara Prize, a citation of the Lion of the Venice Biennale. I have also published a book with you, <em>Herstories<\/em>, and you patiently revised and refined my imperfect layout. I\u2019ve known you for years and see many of the books you publish with <em>la centrale<\/em>, also known as <em>la c.<\/em>, a collective, non-profit publishing project. You collaborate with many artists, and every book is different. But how do you organize yourself when you have to make a photobook without texts? I help myself with words; you\u2014how do you do it? For example, <em>D\u00e9jeuner sur l\u2019herbe<\/em>: how did you get to that famous Saturday in September? And then to making the book?<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-9143\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese-fanzine-226x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"226\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese-fanzine-226x300.jpg 226w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese-fanzine-770x1024.jpg 770w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese-fanzine-113x150.jpg 113w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese-fanzine-768x1021.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese-fanzine.jpg 802w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 226px) 100vw, 226px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>GN:<\/strong> I started making books to document collective projects (like Oreste*, the first network of Italian artists and curators, at the end of the 1990s) and because no one else wanted or was able to dedicate so much time and care to a demanding, problematic, and thankless activity like publishing. For me, making collaborative books is an extension of my artistic practice, in the same way that I paint, see exhibitions, go to the academy, and even go to the bar. Sometimes I publish one book a week, other times\u2014like right now\u2014dozens of unfinished projects clog up my hard drives.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-9137 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese2-300x266.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"266\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese2-300x266.jpg 300w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese2-1024x909.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese2-150x133.jpg 150w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese2-768x682.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-norese2.jpg 1285w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>With other artist friends, I have been experimenting for years with an inexhaustible range of different \u201cdisplays\u201d, consisting of one-day exhibitions, hidden exhibitions, exhibitions without curators or where everyone is a curator, and publications of all kinds. When something instantaneous happens, like the <em>D\u00e9jeuner sur l\u2019herbe<\/em> exhibition, I quickly collect the snapshots taken by the participants and, if I have no distractions or impediments (like having too much free time), the book is done within 48 hours. I would also tell you about the new black-and-white magazine we are creating, modeled after <em>Marcatr\u00e8<\/em>, but we swore not to put any photos in it, and therefore it would be an irrelevant answer to your request.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 10pt;\">* Oreste\u2019s importance was acknowledged by its participation in the 48th Venice Biennale in 1999 (invited by Harald Szeemann as part of the <em>dAPERTutto<\/em> exhibition). Instead of presenting finished works, Oreste transformed its space into a \u201crelational room\u201d for ongoing meetings, performances, and discussions for four months, the entire duration of the event.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><strong>CDB:<\/strong> Both of you, please tell me about other books, other authors, magazines\u2014so long as they contain many photos. I like to better understand how you work, but the theme of this series of articles is books with photographs, and the various methods of getting there.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-9147\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-bordi-768x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"462\" height=\"616\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-bordi-768x1024.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-bordi-225x300.jpg 225w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-bordi-113x150.jpg 113w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-bordi-1152x1536.jpg 1152w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-bordi.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 462px) 100vw, 462px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><strong>EC:<\/strong> In the end, even though I like to write, my history has led me to play above all with images. So almost all the books I have made are books of images, always conceived as a work or an integral part of the work, never as documentation of something external to them.<br \/>\nThe magazines <em>Strabismi<\/em> and <em>Bordi<\/em>, which I curate respectively with Luca Scarabelli and Cesare Biratoni, and always with the complicity of Giancarlo Norese, instead, leave room for text, seeking a balance between text and image to create spaces for theoretical reflection.<br \/>\nFrom this point of view, the latest\u2014and most extreme\u2014adventure is <em>Dromedario<\/em>, where there is no space for images: no photos, only dense black-and-white texts, boring and of little appeal, to be read at a desk with pen in hand or placed on the bedside table for an intimate rereading. The exact opposite of art magazines, to be leafed through at leisure, glossy and full of photos!<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-9145\" src=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-books-300x250.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"250\" srcset=\"https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-books-300x250.jpg 300w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-books-1024x853.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-books-150x125.jpg 150w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-books-768x640.jpg 768w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-books-1536x1280.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/vjic.org\/vjic2\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/carla-vasa3-cristini-books-2048x1707.jpg 2048w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/>CDB: Except the ones published with Amazon, and signed <em>la a.,<\/em> most books by Cristini, Norese and friends don&#8217;t have an ISBN. A reader of the first chapter of this series didn&#8217;t agree with my suggestion of the possibility, forgetting (though it wasn&#8217;t the only choice suggested) that 1) these books are like art multiples: there is no ISBN on photos, paintings or sculptures; 2) these editions work somehow like exhibitions, and integrate them; 3) no matter how legally ISBNed they are, critics very rarely review books, be they \u00a0written, illustrated or photographic, except when the authors are already famous; 4) distribution of art books is never as good as authors and publishers would like; 5) sometimes artworks become urgent and artists are in a hurry to show them, while publishers, curators \u00a0and galleries take months to examine proposals. A book, even a self-published one, is a fact and helps to shorten the waiting time.<\/p>\n<div style=\"padding: 56.25% 0 0 0; position: relative;\"><iframe style=\"position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%;\" title=\"carla-vasa3-pres4\" src=\"https:\/\/player.vimeo.com\/video\/1174877311?badge=0&amp;autopause=0&amp;player_id=0&amp;app_id=58479\" frameborder=\"0\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Theme Table of Contents VJIC Table of Contents &nbsp; This chapter talks about a contemporary D\u00e9jeuner sur l\u2019herbe. 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